An AfterWorld

There is an AfterWorld. I use that term because of the question of "Life? ", in what do we mean by Afterlife? The Writings of Moses indicate two views of Life. 1) The dirt which is the body we reside in now, is alive. 2) The Breath of Life, received from G-D in Genesis 2.

The distinctions appear to have been known to the Snake in the Garden of Eden, "Genesis 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman: 'Ye shall not surely die; " However death is also known in the Cain and Able story. But G-D does not Lie! "Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are Mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is Mine; the soul that sinneth, it shall die. " I use this one from the Tanach because it is openly stated, along with how to fix the problem.

Indirectly we have "Exodus 3:6 Moreover He said: 'I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.' " By implication we see that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are alive, when G-D declares 'I am the God of ' instead of (I was the G-D of ...). In verse Exodus 3:15 we see the same statement again in what Moses is to say to the Children of Israel when they ask. But we also see "this is My name for ever, and this is My memorial unto all generations. "

Conversely, "Numbers 16:33 So they, and all that appertained to them, went down alive into the pit; and the earth closed upon them, and they perished from among the assembly. " This is the story of Korah, and we see that they "went down alive into the pit ". Obviously this is not the normal way of going to Sheol(the pit, in the translation I used above) " Sheol is found in prophesy about those that do evil, and that G-D enlarged it to accommodate everyone deserving this place.

What we do not get is a picture of what happens when you follow G-D and you are done here. We do have two that did not die. 1) Everybody knows Elijah the Prophet. 2) I have found few that know Enoch, father of Methuselah, also did not for G-D took him. So the reverse of Sheol is told, just not what it looks like.

My observation is that We, all souls are to choose G-D / Not to choose G-D, that is your choice. It seems that this is the primary purpose for creation,any of it. Even back to "Genesis 2:5 No shrub of the field was yet in the earth, and no herb of the field had yet sprung up; for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground; " creation of the earth waited for us to show up. Yes, someone is to take care of the earth, but robots or animals or the earth could tend the earth. Man is given a "Living Soul ", which is at risk based upon what we do. There is something extremely important about our soul choosing G-D, with all that means. It truly seems to me that there is something really special about that choice, and the outcome of my decisions. Quotes are from the JPS 1917 version of the Tanach. Also available at http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0.htm

I am sorry that was a little more than 2 cents worth.

Shalom,

Yaakov

It Is Tremendous!

It Is Tremendous!

Those are the words that end the pronouncement by G-D to Moses. In one small verse a covenant is given, a covenant with consequences for today as well as 3,500+ years ago.

The Verse In Hebrew:

שְׁמוֹת לד

י וַיֹּאמֶר, הִנֵּה אָנֹכִי כֹּרֵת בְּרִית, נֶגֶד כָּל-עַמְּךָ אֶעֱשֶׂה נִפְלָאֹת, אֲשֶׁר לֹא-נִבְרְאוּ בְכָל-הָאָרֶץ וּבְכָל-הַגּוֹיִם; וְרָאָה כָל-הָעָם אֲשֶׁר-אַתָּה בְקִרְבּוֹ אֶת-מַעֲשֵׂה יְהוָה, כִּי-נוֹרָא הוּא, אֲשֶׁר אֲנִי, עֹשֶׂה עִמָּךְ.

In English: Exodus 34:10 And He(G-D) said: 'Behold, I make a covenant; before all thy people I will do marvels, such as have not been wrought in all the earth, nor in any nation; and all the people among which thou art shall see the work of the LORD that I am about to do with thee, that it is tremendous.

At this point you might be asking “So what?” First there is no thing that we are to do to make this happen. Another instance like this was the Splitting of the Animals Covenant and the starting point of interest is Genesis 15:13. To paraphrase: Abraham is falling asleep, gets told of events 100-500 years away, then G-D alone goes through the split animals in the form of contract creation of the time, except both parties are to go through in man's version of this deal making. So that contract is upon G-D's performance and not up Abraham's or his offspring's actions. A true one sided deal, but what a price(400 years in country, where they remain strangers, and look at how they left. The world is still talking about it more than 3,500 years later.)

Seeking to understand what took place in Exodus 34:10 the evidence is in pieces across Exodus chapters 33 and 34.

G-D has told Moses in: [Exodus 33:5 And the LORD said unto Moses: 'Say unto the children of Israel: Ye are a stiffnecked people; if I go up into the midst of thee for one moment, I shall consume thee; therefore now put off thy ornaments from thee, that I may know what to do unto thee.']

The children of Israel mourned at hearing the news. Moses then seeks to intervene on behalf of the Children of Israel, for Moses also knows that G-D's presence is extremely important.

Exodus 33:15 And he(Moses) said unto Him(G-D): 'If Thy presence go not with me, carry us not up hence. 16 For wherein now shall it be known that I have found grace in Thy sight, I and Thy people? is it not in that Thou goest with us, so that we are distinguished, I and Thy people, from all the people that are upon the face of the earth?'

We need to know where we stand with G-D, so that we may make amends and repair the relationship when we have sinned. Moses has correctly described the need to know where we stand with G-D.

Now Moses goes up to Mt. Sinai to replace the tablets which Moses broke during the Golden Calf incident and to plead with G-D not to continue to be angry with the Hebrews over the incident.

Exodus 34:9 And he(Moses) said: 'If now I have found grace in Thy sight, O Lord, let the Lord, I pray Thee, go in the midst of us; for it is a stiffnecked people; and pardon our iniquity and our sin, and take us for Thine inheritance.'

My comments are in italics below:

The response is: 10) And He(G-D) said: 'Behold, I make a covenant; before all thy people I will do

G-D makes a commitment/ I will do marvels so your people will see/

marvels, such as have not been wrought in all the earth, nor in any nation; and all the people among

These marvels will be unkown any where upon the earth/ The Marvels will be wintessed by all people

which thou art shall see the work of the LORD that I am about to do with thee, that it is tremendous.

Where ever you are/ The marvels will be tremendous.

I have tried to high lite the points in the verse, in the form of “what is taking place here” in the text and in the deal.

Art Scroll's Chumash reports that the Ramban declares that 'marvels' here can not mean 'marvels' as they are normally meant, for after what has just happened to Egypt and Pharoah, and there is no events in history(upto his time) compare to those see in the Exodus from Egypt. This must mean 'distinctions' not 'marvels'.

I of course do not agree with the Ramban, G-D can do anything. HE made light. O.k. There must be other prophesies that will back this up. Let me see what I can come up with.

[Number 16:28) And Moses said: 'Hereby ye shall know that the LORD hath sent me to do all these works, and that I have not done them of mine own mind. 29) If these men die the common death of all men, and be visited after the visitation of all men, then the LORD hath not sent Me. 30) But if the LORD make a new thing, and the ground open her mouth, and swallow them up, with all that appertain unto them, and they go down alive into the pit, then ye shall understand that these men have despised the LORD.' 31) And it came to pass, as he made an end of speaking all these words, that the ground did cleave asunder that was under them. 32) And the earth opened her mouth and swallowed them up, and their households, and all the men that appertained unto Korah, and all their goods. 33) So they, and all that appertained to them, went down alive into the pit; and the earth closed upon them, and they perished from among the assembly.] That should qualify as one event. There are more I am sure.

That was tremendous in action and power, also called into existence at the moment. If however there is someone that suggests that Moses or anyone could know how that the earth was going to perform such an action, then maneuvered the Korah and his crowd to just the right spot, got them to hold still for all of this, I am positive that would be even more marvelous than crediting G-D with fulfilling exactly what Moses spoke. It would also be a lot more dangerous, then to challenge Moses' word. We do not learn or more to the point they(the supports of Korah) did not learn for the confronted Moses and Arron the next day, where G-D rises to the occasion again and sends a plague among the Children of Israel. The result is: [Number 17:14 Now they that died by the plague were fourteen thousand and seven hundred, besides them that died about the matter of Korah.] This would not have been all that died if Moses and Arron had not interceded on behalf of the Congregation.

There is more to come that has not been see upon the earth, nor by any people of the earth at anytime.

Questions?

Shalom,

Yaakov

It starts here!

2,300+ years of rewriting and we are ???

Let me be explicit in my words. I have searched for the truth for 50 years and I have learned that anytime someone feels that they need to make excuses or perform rewrites, they do not believe what was written. In science this is O.K. because, science is attempting to describe what has been observed to be happening in a way that can predict subsequent events. Because of this an if Apple falls for a certain period of time, we can calculate the distance of the fall. When a theory does not produce the expected answer, the theory is modified or replaced.

To me the Word of G-D is not theory. It is Truth, Fact, the LAW. Not one word will go unfulfilled before the Last DAY. As many appear to believe differently, you can win me over by doing what I have not been able to do. This: Where in the Written Torah, the Writings of Moses, did G-D lie; change the Law(not what we perceive as adding to the law); did not in fact perform what HE Promised? Prove to me this, and there will be reason to not consider G-D's Word to be FACT.

Rather I have discovered that it is we that are failing. We fail to understand what is before us in writing. We we are ourselves are proof(the witnesses of G-D) to be true. Yet instead of seeking to understand the Law as G-D gave it to Moses to be written, we spend mountains of documentation about we someone else has thought and said. For all of the time since Moses and the departure from Egypt we have not been able to see our G-D taking care of us. We can not hear the truth in the Laws Moses Wrote. Instead we seek a Korah that will lead us instead of G-D, and we continue to suffer under the promises of Leviticus 26, and Deuteronomy 28 & 29. For some this seems o.k., it is our tradition. A tradition of pain, suffering and humiliation at our own hands, for we can stop this ourselves, by returning to the G-D of our Fathers. All of this is in the Written Torah, that so many refuse to accept or follow. This time the punishment will be the worst.

Think about it, ...We can physically go around the world in less than 18 minutes. We can talk to almost anyplace on earth. We can destroy thousands of miles of earth in moments using atomic power and make it unusable for decades without any life. Last there are Billions of people filling the earth to over flowing so that water, food are scares in many places. The Nations of the World are lining up against the Land of Israel, which could disappear in a flash of atomic light in seconds. The Land of Israel is G-D's Own, and we are only allowed to reside when we follow HIS Law. I don't believe that we have been even trying to know HIS Law, let alone to truly follow HIS Law, but G-D says we will finally turn back and declare HIM KING and Follow HIS Law. This is also from the Written Torah, where HIS Promises are recorded. We are HIS Witnesses, to the totality of MANKIND!

Genesis 12:3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and him that curseth thee will I curse; and in thee shall all the families of the earth be blessed.' --to Abram.
Genesis 28:13 And, behold, the LORD stood beside him, and said: 'I am the LORD, the God of Abraham thy father, and the God of Isaac. The land whereon thou liest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed. --To Yaakov.

A rebuttal to someone in Israel.

This is from a forum in Israel that I input on. It would not be right for me to give the other side text, as I do not have rights to it.
But His was in reference to my next post.

Here is my reply.
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By your opening line, I take it that you do not believe G-D. Or that you have reason to believe that HE Does not mean what has been spoken in HIS Name. Please enlighten me as regards your evidence for such statements that is sounds to Xtian: "Not one word will go unfulfilled before the Last DAY."

Do you not read Isaiah 40:5 And the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together; for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.' Or 40:8 The grass withereth, the flower fadeth; but the word of our God shall stand for ever.'

Or maybe you think it a small thing to challenge the Writings of Moses, Numbers 12:”6 And HE said: 'Hear now My words: if there be a prophet among you, I the LORD do make Myself known unto him in a vision, I do speak with him in a dream.7) My servant Moses is not so; he is trusted in all My house; 8) with him do I speak mouth to mouth, even manifestly, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the LORD doth he behold; wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against My servant, against Moses?' 9) And the anger of the LORD was kindled against them; and He departed.”

Or maybe you know the 70 elders hiding in the Temple that G-D shows to Ezekiel, given as One of the reasons for G-D to LEAVE the TEMPLE and destroy it. Ezekiel “8:11 And there stood before them seventy men of the elders of the house of Israel, and in the midst of them stood Jaazaniah the son of Shaphan, every man with his censer in his hand; and a thick cloud of incense went up.”

How about Isaiah 29:”13 And the Lord said: Forasmuch as this people draw near, and with their mouth and with their lips do honour Me, but have removed their heart far from Me, and their fear of Me is a commandment of men learned by rote;”

Maybe Isaiah 48:”1) Hear ye this, O house of Jacob, who are called by the name of Israel, and are come forth out of the fountain of Judah; who swear by the name of the LORD, and make mention of the God of Israel, but not in truth, nor in righteousness.  3) I have declared the former things from of old; yea, they went forth out of My mouth, and I announced them; suddenly I did them, and they came to pass.  5) Therefore I have declared it to thee from of old; before it came to pass I announced it to thee; lest thou shouldest say: 'Mine idol hath done them, and my graven image, and my molten image, hath commanded them.'  6) Thou hast heard, see, all this; and ye, will ye not declare it? I have announced unto thee new things from this time, even hidden things, which thou hast not known.  7) They are created now, and not from of old, and before this day thou heardest them not; lest thou shouldest say: 'Behold, I knew them.'  8) Yea, thou heardest not; yea, thou knewest not; yea, from of old thine ear was not opened; for I knew that thou wouldest deal very treacherously, and wast called a transgressor from the womb.  18) Oh that thou wouldest hearken to My commandments! then would thy peace be as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea;  19 Thy seed also would be as the sand, and the offspring of thy body like the grains thereof; his name would not be cut off nor destroyed from before Me. .....”

Maybe this is too hard to understand. How about the Last Prophet Malachi.

Malachi 3:4) Then shall the offering of Judah and Jerusalem be pleasant unto the LORD, as in the days of old, and as in ancient years.  5) And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers; and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not Me, saith the LORD of hosts.  6) For I the LORD change not; and ye, O sons of Jacob, are not consumed. 7) From the days of your fathers ye have turned aside from Mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto Me, and I will return unto you, saith the LORD of hosts. But ye say: 'Wherein shall we return?'  22) Remember ye the law of Moses My servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, even statutes and ordinances.

What did Moses get on Mt. Horeb? Exodus 24:4 And Moses wrote all the words of the LORD, and rose up early in the morning, and builded an altar under the mount, and twelve pillars, according to the twelve tribes of Israel.
7) And he(Moses) took the book of the covenant, and read in the hearing of the people; and they said: 'All that the LORD hath spoken will we do, and obey.' --A written Contract with G-D and Israel

Maybe that will get the point through, maybe not. ---Moving on.

Your fourth paragraph(from Exodus 11) concerns the statements and advice of Jethro, Moses's Father in-law, not G-D. And this advice is to arrange the people in to military order. The 70 Elders are later, also they fail even the first time of test, when they did not support G-D and the LAW that was already accepted by the people in Exodus 19:8 And all the people answered together, and said: 'All that the LORD hath spoken we will do.' And Moses reported the words of the people unto the LORD., then twice in Exodus 24, first in  3) And Moses came and told the people all the words of the LORD, and all the ordinances; and all the people answered with one voice, and said: 'All the words which the LORD hath spoken will we do.'  4) And Moses wrote all the words of the LORD, and rose up early in the morning, and builded an altar under the mount, and twelve pillars, according to the twelve tribes of Israel. Then again in  7) And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the hearing of the people; and they said: 'All that the LORD hath spoken will we do, and obey.'

Law One Exodus 20:2) I am the LORD thy God, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before Me.

Law Two Exodus 20:3) Thou shalt not make unto thee a graven image, nor any manner of likeness, of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 4) thou shalt not bow down unto them, nor serve them; for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate Me;

What was G-D's complaint to Moses? Exodus 32:7 And the LORD spoke unto Moses: 'Go, get thee down; for thy people, that thou broughtest up out of the land of Egypt, have dealt corruptly; 8) they have turned aside quickly out of the way which I commanded them; they have made them a molten calf, and have worshipped it, and have sacrificed unto it, and said: This is thy god, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.' --Where were the 70 then? How about the ones Jethro suggested?

33) And the LORD said unto Moses: 'Whosoever hath sinned against Me, him will I blot out of My book.

I know that this is long, but if I just give the references you might look them up, but there are others who will read this and they need to know. This is not all of the evidence that G-D commanded Moses and no other, even to the point of having Moses write it down. The references in the Tanach(Old Testament) are many for the case of Moses' Writings and the importance of them to us.

Shalom